Three Dead Zed Review & Developer Interview

Update: Three Dead Zed received a Second Chance with the Chick. Click here for my continued thoughts on the game.

Well, this has never been done before.  A review of a game done while simultaneously interviewing the developer.  I almost didn’t review Three Dead Zed, which sponsors my review index.  Sponsorship on my site is done by donating to charities (either Autism Speaks or the Epilepsy Foundation), so I don’t personally gain anything from it.  Well, unless the $50 minimum that is contributed to the Epilepsy Foundation is exactly what they need at that very moment to cure epilepsy forever.  And you never know, that might happen!  Still, I didn’t want to be accused of a conflict of interest.  If the game sucked, that’s fine.  Nobody would accuse me of slamming a game because it sponsored my site.  But, what if the game was good?  What if it was the best XBLIG I’ve ever played?  People would question whether it was legitimate or not.

Thankfully for me (and not so thankfully for the guys at Gentleman Squid), I don’t have to worry about it.  Three Dead Zed is atrocious.  The idea is you control three zombies, switching between them to make your way across platforms, shoving boxes, avoiding lasers, and killing people.  The game looks great, but the controls are never responsive.  The standard, default zombie feels sluggish and slow, and the jumping physics feel too heavy.  This is the only zombie that can climb ladders or hit switches.  On the flip side of this, there’s a quadrupedal that moves way too fast, jumps way too high, too far, and is a nightmare to control.  It can’t climb ladders, operate switches, or do anything but jumping and wall jumping.  Finally, there’s a giant, angry she-zombie that you use to break down walls and move heavy objects.  This one is slower than death by starvation, can’t jump, and its attacks don’t feel like they have any oomph to them.

Basically, I didn’t like Three Dead Zed at all.  Since I was due to interview developer Fabian Florez, I figured I would kill two birds with one stone and do the interview at the same time, and see what he had to say about some of the issues I had.  All things considered, he was a good sport about it!

Cathy: Before I get to brow-beating you for the ungodly piece of shit that is the game you made, can you give me a little background on your team and how you guys came together?

Fabian Florez: Heh. Well we all work in the same main company. We normally make interactive training for things like online courses for schools or other technical related subjects. Well, the main business was getting slow, and rather than let us all go, I proposed that we take a crack at making games. We had all the primary people needed for a team right there: Artists, programmers, lover of games. So they took a chance on us. Now, with my review coming up, I think “Why would you make this piece of shit” might hurt my chances of a good review.

Cathy: If your job security was depended upon how likely your supervisor is able to hit one of the light switches in the game, would you just immediately start packing your desk?

Fabian: NEXT QUESTION PLEASE!

Cathy: Do you know pink slips typically aren’t pink?  The ones I use are white.  Even the rubber stamp isn’t pink.  More like a crimson.

Fabian: I don’t even think they give slips at all. They just coral you into a room and just say, “Yea it’s been nice but you got to go.”

Cathy: Okay, okay, in all seriousness, why are the controls in Three Dead Zed so all over the place?

Fabian: We drink a lot.  OK,  *I* drink a lot.  It seemed to make sense to me when I was playtesting…that one night…before release. Can you help clarify a specific point?

Cathy: I’ll start with the speedy dude that runs on all fours.  It’s too easy to overshoot everything.  He moves too fast, he jumps too far, and it’s too loose so it’s easy to over jump stuff.  But the controls are also so loose that if you try self-correct mid-air, you’re just as likely to under-jump.

Fabian: He’s very debatable. Some people don’t mind him and adapt quickly. Others hate him outright. I do think it’s a bit of a failure on our part for tutorials and stage layout. For example, on the second tutorial stage after you unlock him, some people don’t just jump straight up. I’ve seen people play this on YouTube, streams, and in person. They always want to jump in a direction first. He jumps higher and you can have a control fall if you do that first. Or jump higher to stick to a higher part of the wall. Sometimes I’ve seen people always want to jump with him everywhere.  Some of the jumping puzzles were meant to be played with the classic zombie, not the jumper, but it’s not obvious enough. That’s just a failure on us.

I could go more into it, but ultimately, a game should just be played without a “guide” so I think that’s why we get hot/cold responses.

Cathy: I get a lot of developers who want to send me a detailed analysis of how to play their game when they request a review.  Always pisses me off and gets things off on the wrong foot.  Doesn’t mean I am certain to hate a game (Hidden in Plain Sight’s developer did it and I ranked it), but it feels like developers know from the get-go there are problems and still release anyway.  Do you think if you had held off on release you could have addressed these issues, or did the game pass the point of no return for salvation?

Fabian: That’s a great question. We initially released the game earlier in the year for Windows and we though we addressed a lot of those initial issues. Our tutorial section for example is longer and added things to what we though might be “second nature” had to be added. Like the area showing you how to drop down from floors. So unfortunately, it’s just that developer trap of “I think we got everything! Release it. OH NO not again!” Tried to touch all bases, but I think it’s really difficult.

But, I think there was also some confusion on our part because a lot of those comments did come from people playing with a keyboard. We did get feedback from people saying switching to a controller made things easier. So, porting to Xbox seemed like it would alleviate that since you can only play with a controller.

Cathy:  There’s a lot of niggling control issues.  Jumping off ladders with the default zombie, hitting switches, and some problems with collision detection.  We’ll start with the switches first.  I’m personally having problems lining up and pushing them correctly.  Brian isn’t.  His IQ is about 50 points lower than mine, so if your target audience is dumbass pseudo-gingers, mission accomplished, but wouldn’t larger area-detections be a no-brainer?

Fabian: Switches: It’s a pretty sizable hit detection. It was increased from the Windows to the Xbox build. The reason why it’s not even bigger, if I remember correctly, is because we didn’t want you activating things behind a wall on the other side on some scenarios. We’ll take a look at it again though.

Ladders is the new one that I did witness in our Peer Review.   Never heard that until we ported it. It’s another one of those, “Probably include it in the tutorials?” Push left or right and jump. I saw Ryan (aka MasterBlud of VVGTV) playing the game and he was stating how he hated the ladders also. The problem there is we have areas where you are going to want to jump from ladder to ladder. If you just push left or right and he drops, you wont be able to jump to the ladder. Minus the actual jumping from ladder to ladder, this is very similar to Mega Man’s approach. Except once you push jump, Mega Man would drop.

Cathy: I get that you guys were trying to go for a Trine feel, but one of the other problems was the game couldn’t seem to decide what it should focus on: platforming or puzzling.  Some games comfortably blend both, but this one seemed to jump from one to the other and it was jarring and killed the pace.  I don’t really know how to word that into a question for you.  First off, I assume Trine was inspiration for Three Dead Zed?

Fabian: We get Trine a lot and I swear, that was not our intent!  It was one of those things that just happened that way. Although I owned it, I still haven’t played it. 3DZ was inspired by a mix of the C64 game Goonies and NES Batman (hence the wall cling). If you never played The Goonies, you controlled two people who need to do something to unlock a door. Tough as nails. Anyway, along the way, we dropped that because, hey, we’re new devs and that was biting off more than we can chew. So we combined them all together to be one “super zombie” and made it more of a traditional puzzle platformer. Nothing too crazy in the way of puzzles though simple things for the most part.  The NES Batman was also a heavy influence on why the fast zombie sprints forward so quickly.  Some like it.  Some hate it. It was meant more for moving from wall to wall and that was it. “You are going this direction!”

(While this interview is going on, Bryce and my boyfriend Brian are playing through Three Dead Zed, enjoying it way more than I did, and start busting up laughing from chasing an old lady into a saw blade).

Cathy: Brian and Bryce just chased an old lady into a saw blade.

Fabian: Brian and Bryce, you are AWESOME. We wanted people to scare “innocents” into the hazards. We think it’s funny too. We almost had an award for scaring old ladies into buzz-saws but then pulled it.

Cathy:  I guess this moves us into the art.  It’s pretty good.  It reminded me of the stuff by Behemoth (Castle Crashers, Alien Hominid).  I find a lot of games on XBLIG that put a premium on audio-visuals tend to be mediocre or worse.  You just became the poster child for that.  Yay?

Fabian: *laughing*  Well we tried!  We thought, “Man if we could just make something so beautiful, it’ll be like a Greek Siren to Indie Gamer Chick and she’ll give us glowing reviews!”

Cathy: Good graphics do get my attention when it comes time to review a game, but once I start playing, gameplay is all that matters.  However, your game does have appeal in other areas.  The voice overs are great.  Who did them?

Fabian: Awesome to hear! Get it?!  Hear?

Cathy: ..

Fabian: Ahem.. Actually our star voice actor would love to read that. The two main voices you hear the most (intercom and shadowy figure) are actually the same guy. The intercom is inspired by Rick Moranis/Bill Murray in Ghostbusters. The Shadowy voice is…shadowy? The other voices are various people including the team. He also does the voice in the cut scene changing from zombie to zombie.  He actually does professional voice over work, and he offered to help us out for free.

Cathy: Do you have any future plans for game development?

Fabian: After your review? No. Closing shop. Taking our ball home and doing lots of crying.

Cathy: Hang on one second, I need to add another check mark to my gun.

Fabian: Actually, yes.  We’re working on another game.   It’ll be our first multiplayer game. You can put the chisel down.

Cathy: Awwww.

Fabian: Hey, you killed our joy.  Only fair we kill yours.

Cathy: Touché.  What lessons did you learn from making Three Dead Zed that you’re going to apply to the development of.. what the fuck is it called anyway?

Fabian: It’s called 2012.  Better late than never?  Actually we have no name yet. Basically: Playtest, playtest, and playtest. You really can’t do enough. We did quite a bit for Three Dead Zed (Both online and in person) but you just really need to do more than you think. A BIG sample definitely helps you find trouble areas.

Cathy: Have anything to say in closing?

Fabian: I do thank you for trying out our game regardless! You’re tough as nails, we’ll hopefully win you over with the next game.

I hope so too.  I would like to thank Fabian for being cool about this admittedly awkward situation.  He’s a good guy, and he should be proud of his efforts.  I still can’t recommend Three Dead Zed though.  Great graphics, great concept, and its heart was in the right place.  It’s just not beating.

Three Dead Zed was developed by Gentleman Squid Studio

240 Microsoft Points wondered if Gentleman Squid is any relationship to Armless Octopus in the making of this review. 

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14 Responses to Three Dead Zed Review & Developer Interview

  1. Argamae says:

    On-the-spot-review and very funny interview! Thanks for making it, Cathy. More, please! 🙂

  2. drake1993 says:

    my advice is to get some bored gamers to test your game advertise it on xbox live somehow . and when it hits final release give them a copy or mention them in the credits

  3. Jim Perry says:

    Hmmm, that’s why there’s a playtest section of #xblig. A game never need be released with bad gameplay unless the dev is lazy or doesn’t care.

    • Hi Jim. Actually we did use the playtest section of XBLIG. The sad fact of XBLIG is that not a lot of activity actually happens for playtest. You get a quick comment here and there, but nothing actually beats *watching* a person play the game. That means as a developer, you have to work seeking out new people to play your game, observe and had questions ready for them. We did this, but I’m saying we should do more. XBLIG playtest is a good tool no doubt, but to think it’s the be-all solution would be a bad mistake. Also our game has been out for almost a year (Windows) with written feedback. Some of these comments are completely new to us.In our case XBLIG playtest, we did get some feedback (such as the ladder), but then we equally get comments about people having no issues with the game.

      TL;DR: If anything comes from us another developer should take away is to get out there and watch people play, not to think the answer is “playtest xblig.”

      • CJ says:

        Yeah, the system has gotten stale over the years, partly from Microsoft’s doing and the rest of the community. The best way to have your game playtested is from family+friends. I remember when I had a gaming prodigy play my games, and he got far enough to document some real problems at the end of the game, which is what I needed to hear. If I didn’t get any of that feedback, my game-in-progress might have suffered a real sales dive, because of the fact that the game isn’t too playable under certain conditions. I’ve never seen people get that kind of feedback in playtest or review, the kind that SAVES their game. As I’ve seen too many problems in many XBLIGs, that should’ve been remarked on. But most people don’t even play the games enough to get halfway through these games. And I think it’s because of the lower quality. Nobody wants to volunteer to play mediocre games for too long. Unless you’re Silver Dollar of course! That guy is nuts. Maybe he got a playtesting staff from his profits? A good investment.

        The playtest system isn’t worthless exactly, but time has not been kind. Even when you’re generous enough to play tons of people’s ALPHAS(because god forbid people actually develop their games to the point where THEY wanna play them!), they don’t even scratch your back! It’s mostly luck to get your game playtested by a couple folks now, even if it’s well developed. Unless you happen to be one of those “celebrity” types, hahaha.

      • “but nothing actually beats *watching* a person play the game”

        SO TRUE!

        I had a couple of people complain that they had trouble at a VERY early spot in my game and I just didn’t get it. How are they running into an issue like THAT?!?! It just made no sense to me, so I wrote it off as them being bad at my game. WHOOPS!

        Anyway, I had my brother in law play the game and he also ran into the issue. The problem is that anyone with ANY experience with the game wouldn’t do the things that they did as it wouldn’t make any sense. So I needed a newbie and I needed to SEE them make the mistake (or have them tell be exactly what they were doing).

        Hindsight being 20/20 I should have forced people to come over to my house and play the game. I won’t make that mistake again. Playtest is nice, but it’s no replacement to watching a newbie play.

    • Playtest on XBLIG is a mixed bag. Other competing devs aren’t the most dedicated or thorough play testers. Sometimes you get someone who really wants to help, but more often than not you get nothing or “I like your game, play my game now plz thx!”

      Still, it’s better than nothing, but not by much 😉

      I wish there was a way to put a playtest build in a non-XBLIG subscribers hands… Of course you then are competing with piracy and our sales are already really low… lose-lose I guess.

  4. CJ says:

    Jim, that’s a LOT of devs, hahaha! Then again, I can’t blame them. The game reviewing process has a couple flaws, or should I say, it rewards large dev teams.

  5. Dave Voyles says:

    This is the funniest and most entertaining interview you’d done yet.

  6. Adman says:

    “I get a lot of developers who want to send me a detailed analysis of how to play their game when they request a review. Always pisses me off and gets things off on the wrong foot. Doesn’t mean I am certain to hate a game (Hidden in Plain Sight’s developer did it and I ranked it)”

    Yeah, here I was trying to be helpful and you tore me a new one. I felt like I was slapped in the face.

    Next time, a simple “I prefer to play the game as the player will see it… without extra input from the developer.” No need for cursing. 🙂

    • I gotta agree with this. Especially since, and I’m going to be incredibly blunt, you (Cathy) go through many of your reviews with a “I didn’t get this or wasn’t good at this, therefore the game sucks”.

      • Adam Spragg says:

        To clarify: I fully agree with her policy of playing the game the way average gamers would play it, and to refuse any additional input from developers. It’s our job as developers to make a game that is accessible and understandable. If a game is confusing, I think that is a valid strike against it.

        I only take exception to the tone she used in response to me. But I chose to not take it personally.

    • I have (and will continue to) apologize for that. I get the “hey, let me tell you how to play the game) crap too much and you were the first person to send it to me that I actually LIKED. It was the straw that broke the Cuban’s back.

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